Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Johnny Can't Concentrate On His Math Because Sue's Bra Strap Is Showing - I Guess His Only Option Is To Fail Math & Rape The Girl

My daughter was sent home from school with a note one of the last days of school. Along with the note, she was wearing her gym uniform t-shirt. Seems her bra strap was visible beneath her sleeveless top & so she was deemed unacceptably dressed & forced to wear the "more coverage providing" gym shirt. The note was a reminder of the high school's dress code.

Now I'd seen my daughter dressed that morning when she left for school, and I assure you that she was decently dressed. I guess after a few hours of natural body movement, her bra strap peeked out from under the sleeveless top -- a completely unnatural and non-come-hither thing, right ladies? I mean, name a summer top where at some point some movement you or your purse strap makes does not result in a bit of bra becoming visible. The only real way to avoid it is to wear a high-necked or longer sleeved shirt -- something that is often uncomfortable due to high temperatures, which is why boys (but not girls!) are allowed to wear tank tops (including those with neck, back & arm holes down to their waists).

Curious, I called the school. Maybe I was missing something here... Maybe my daughter had done some clothing switcheroo at school -- like the sort of thing you see in movies. No, she hadn't.

So I asked what the problem was. And I patiently listened to the generic dress code prattle.

Then asked the counselor to tell me specifically why this less than 2 inch bit of less than 1/2 an inch wide a bit of ivory colored fabric beneath a red top should be such a problem.

The reason? It's not fair to ask hormonal boys to concentrate on their tests & studies with such a thing so visible.

Umm, excuse me; whatever happened to the old school mantra "Keep your eyes on your own paper, son," and just good old "Mind your own business."

The counselor informed me that girls are present in the hallways etc. and, "you know boys & their hormones."

"Yes," I replied, "I sure do -- and shouldn't they be learning self-control along with arithmetic?"

"Certainly, b-b-but," she began, far less comfortable talking with me.

"You just confirmed that my daughter was not dressed like Madonna in the 80's," I said, "so it's not like she was dressed inappropriately for school."

Uncomfortable silence from the counselor.

I just waited her out.

"The school's policy is not to add distraction for the boys. I don't make the policies..."

So I scheduled a meeting with the principals -- yes, principals, because you know they have like a dozen of them per school now. The counselor was there too.

The meeting started like the phone conversation with the counselor had & I remained patient & bid my time. When we got to the cut & paste part of their script, the part designed to end the conversation, the "our policy is not to add distraction for the boys," that's when I dug my heels in.

"But my daughter was dressed according to policy -- save for a bit of bra strap that by your own admission was neither purposefully, provocatively, slid off onto the shoulder, nor anything else other than a bit of material showing beneath a -- again, perfectly acceptable in every other way -- top. It was simply a small matter of normal movement."

"Yes, that's why she wasn't sent home immediately."

"But she was forced to change her clothing."

"So as not to embarrass herself or distract other students."

"Oh, I see," I said, my voice rich in sarcasm, "So I'm assuming that all the female teachers & staff over an A-cup are wearing clothing that falls like big roomy tents from their chests, so that there's no hint of breasts or female form, right?"

Sound of crickets chirping.

"I can't tell... Is your silence confirmation that this is done or shock at such a stupid suggestion?"

A sputter of some sort. Some blushing. Followed by more crickets.

"I think we both know it is ridiculous & unfair to ask women of any age -- in any situation -- to dress to conceal their gender. Why are we teaching girls & young women to hide & be ashamed of their bodies? To be afraid of them, even? Even wearing a burka announces that a female form lies beneath it; you can't control what these boys might think -- they are the only ones who can do that. And that's what the schools should be requiring -- that the males learn to control their thoughts & actions."

Before the crickets could become deafening, the principal spoke. "This policy is also for your daughter's safety; to ensure nothing happens to her."

"You think you are making her safe by teaching her to change her already appropriate dress? You think that the appropriate message here is that girls need to watch every little thing they do, including a purse strap that pulls on the shoulder of her top and exposes 2 inches of bra strap, in order to protect themselves from a probable or possible sexual assault? If you do, then you, by giving them the responsibility for what some male might do, are blaming victims. That is neither accurate nor fair; and it's sexism. Because you are not holding the perpetrators or possible perpetrators responsible -- and you are placing undue, illogical, restraints on one gender -- and that gender the very one to be victimized. Nor are you communicating a no tolerance policy with regards to assaults on women. Frankly, you are giving away excuses for those who assault, rape, attack & abuse women -- before anything has even happened. Such policies & attitudes condone & encourage such crimes."

The principal, trying to regain control of the meeting, replies with, "I'm not sure what it is you'd like us to do at this point... Your daughter's got nothing on her record... What specifically would you like us to do?"

"I'd like you & this school to start teaching young men self control, to stop making young women accountable & responsible for what males might do, and to make it absolutely clear that victims are not responsible in any way for the assaults, attacks & abuse. I want policies corrected & created to teach & enforce zero tolerance in these areas."

I'd like to leave the post there -- on an assertive note. But that's not reality.

The reality is, they've "taken in & noted my concerns" and suggested I get involved with our local parent-teacher association as well as the school board. These things of course must wait until next year. And if I can't seem to get "educated" people to understand the obvious, well, let's just say I won't be holding my breath.

And the whole thing has me really, really, pissed off.

What say you?

40 comments:

A Margarita said...

As much as it saddens me, I can't say I'm too surprised by their policies. There are way too many narrow-minded people in this world concerned with following the letter of the law as opposed to the spirit of the law. Ignorance is so frustrating, especially among "educated" people, as you put it.

lanyo said...

Bravo for trying. At least one girl from that school will grow up knowing it's not her fault men can be pigs.

Rachel said...

you rule! glad you stuck it to them!

frankufotos Lingerie said...

See, here's where you made your mistakes; One: you used Logic. Two: you assumed (never assume..) the rules are there to protect students. No; the rules are to protect the district from being sued and -perhaps more importantly- district officials from ever having to Think.

I'd say it's safe to presume most of us read this blog because we're fans of lingerie. And most of us are adult enough to realize what's appropriate attention and in what circumstance, and what to disregard. I guess these folks haven't gotten that far, yet?

Congratulations for not backing down.

Caroline said...

Awesome response from you, absolutely awesome. What total and utter bollocks, what hope is there if boys are taught like that?

Manos Torgo said...

The reason the school follows the letter blindly is to avoid such confrontation with parents.Every parent that reacts
tends to have their own special chip on their shoulder and schools never please everybody. The teacher could have let it slide until the following week when a
different girl dresses inappropriately and points to the Case of the Visible Bra Strap and cries unfair treatment.So schools have these idiotic zero tolerance policies because parents want baby sitters who will punish other kids but not their precious child.
And yes boys should learn control but don't pretend that kids(boys & girls) don't also exercise their sexuality in ways that run counter to an educational atmoshpere.
I'd hate to be the school adminstrator dealing with someone comparing such a reprimand to condoning rape.

Melinda Mary said...

I am gob smacked. This sounds like something that would have happened 60 years ago.

When is society going to start expecting and teaching boys and men to be responsible for their own self control and any actions that come about because of their lack of it?

Naukishtae said...

Ya know.. You did exactly the right thing.. It's not your daughters falt that not all boys become men, some just become pigs.. the principles are at falt here.. them and the small minded counselors.. who think a small piece of bra strap is a turn on.. my gawd! I graduated high school in 1963, and it took a lot more than 2 inches of a poor girls bra strap to get any one I knew turned on.. it makes you wonder how the staff at that school got turned on.. ? sounds like they are the ones with the problem, and not young Johnny.. what was their motive sensoring a child in that way and drawing such undo attention to such an inocent situation.. I thank the old Gods, that your daughter is lucky enough to have a great dad to let her know she did not do anything wrong and then tell a bounch of would be pious sensors off..

lexismonkie said...

wow. over a bra strap? what would happen if she went bra-less?
TOTAL ANARCHY!
In all seriousness, brilliant speaking on your part. I applaud you!

phylisanne said...

i wholly agree with the mother and i applaud her for really giving it to the school board.boys should be going to school to learn and get an education ,not learn to be a rapist.and if the young women going to school today have to be worried about what will happen to them if they are brought into the deans office for having avissible bra strap.and i think that the staff of that school should get their act toghether and watch out for the new age of predators that are coming out of the school system.

Treacle said...

Wow...just wow.

Thank you so much for doing this. The media still perpetuates this idea that women are responsible for their own victimization. That they must have done something to deserve assault, and men, because of their inherent cavemen natures, simply can't help themselves.

It's incredibly meaningful that you not only stood up for your daughter, but posted this experience for everyone else to see.

lynnd said...

Brava to you for speaking up. Good luck in any continued effort you give to dealing with the school systems. I have both sons and a daughter. I always think about how my daughter is dressed when she goes out, what is appropriate for where she is going and what she is doing. I am trying to teach her to dress appropriately. Thank you for reminding me to teach the boys to behave properly. My oldest son will be going to High School next year, clearly I need to have a conversation with him. With just a little guidance not all boy grow up to be pigs.

Petra Bellejambes said...

Dear Slip,

My long time crush on you is entirely, positively reinforced by your crusade. I really am delighted that you shamed the administrative owners of such harmful stupidity.

I imagine that the rules have gone without challenge for eons simply because the common reflex is to worry that our daughters are behaving in an undecorous manner and to be shamed into silence.

It takes uncommon reflexes to react otherwise. You are uncommon, and I am a bigger fan than ever.

Cheers - Petra

SlipOfAGirl said...

Thanks for all your support -- not only are you being kind to me & my daughter, but you, my dears, are on the side of Right.

However, Manos Torgo...

Your comments show a complete lack of understanding. I do not want a babysitter to punish other kids; I don't want "teenage sexuality" to "run counter" to education. But I'll be damned -- we'll all continue to be damned -- if males are going to assisted in shirking their responsibility for their own actions.

Fact: Rape is not about arousal, but about violence & control -- aided by societal assumptive belief that men have the right to take what they want. So bra strap visibility, even being completely nude, has nothing to do with rape.

Fact: By focusing on how potential victims are dressed, how they ought to behave, etc. the focus is removed from the persons potentially responsible -- and it's the abusers, attackers, criminals who are 100% responsible for what they do; not their victims.

Fact: Instilling a true zero tolerance policy with regards to expectations for male behaviors should begin in childhood.

If you'd "hate to be the school administrator dealing with someone comparing such a reprimand to condoning rape," well, too frickin' bad for you, your family & our world.

I wish I could just count myself lucky that you aren't in such a position -- but maybe you are... In any case, simply living in this world & remaining ignorant to the facts perpetuates the bullshit -- and that means we all have to live with the consequences.

Your assumption that such a dress code is there to prevent assaults, rape etc., (which is what you seem to be saying) then you yourself "see" a connection between male distraction & rape; so my inflammatory post title isn't far off is it?

Anonymous said...

very unfortunate situation

those people should be sent to sensitivity training, then fired.

IM said...

You're my hero.

bcuzimpretty said...

I am so glad mothers out there are still fighting schools on this matter. It makes my day.

When I was in grade 4 (15 years ago) my mother had bought me 3 brightly colored tank top and short sets from our trip to Florida. I wore the first set proudly to school only to have the principal whisper in my ear that it was inappropriate clothing and that I could never wear it again. Apparently, when I raised my arms, my stomach showed.

When I told my mother she became furious. She marched into that school and had a conversation with the principal much like the one you had. She said almost the same things you did. My principal actually used the line "Boys will by boys" to which my mother said "Maybe that's the problem!"

Thankfully, in her case, there was only a vague policy about dress codes at my school.

The perfect line she gave him was something along the lines of: "These are grade 4 boys, they are pretty harmless. Most of them think every girl has cooties. But the fact that *you* noticed my daughter's body and that *you* approached her disturbs me a great deal. Perhaps it's not my daughter that has the problem but you."

She then went on to declare that her daughter could and would wear whatever she wanted so long as it was appropriate for her age. And that perhaps the principal should concern himself with bigger problems (like high fail rates) instead of trying to enforce an outdated and vague dress code.

The principal avoided me for the rest of my years in elementary school. And I wore those outfits on a regular basis. Proudly.

chrissie said...

Interesting.

It's worth noting that the principal was using the same reasoning that fundamentalist muslims use, when they demand that women wear the all-enclosing burka; that it is womens' duty to cover themselves so as not to inflame the males.

Very, very worrying.

love
chrissie
xxxx

punxxi said...

it's the old boys club, and all rules are to cover their asses and no one elses

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if there has been a male perspective here, so here's mine. I have to agree completely with your stance. I was young once and just snapped a friends bra when i was in sixth or seventh grade. I wont go into the punishment, but let's just say I never even had the thought to do it again. If the admins are going to crack down on 2 inches of bra strap, please tell me they are also cracking down on all the boys showing six inches of boxers as well, which honestly I would find as more of a problem as it is intentional, unlike your daughters bra strap showing.

AnotherSexBlogger said...

Thank you!

You didn't overreact. You reacted appropriately to THEIR overreaction.

I wonder what they would have said had you suggested that your daughter could have simply removed her bra, which would have also removed the offending strap from any boys' wayward eyes.

And to suggest that it was for "her safety" is just reprehensible and offensive to both women AND men. It's blaming the victim before there even IS a victim as well as assuming that men are completely without any will. (I can't even say without self-control since I can't imagine any of them had to *stop themselves* from attacking her once they saw that strap.)

So many people would just let it go, or at the most, explain to their daughter that that's just how things are. Thank you, again, for pointing out to them how ridiculous this was (even if they didn't get it) AND for posting it here for more people to see.

BeatrixComet said...

You know, the table cloth was invented because the sight of the legs of a table was supposedly so distracting and arousing to men that they had to be covered (this fact is taken from the History Channel's The History of Sex). If the school continues down this route, I suggest you demand that all tables and desks have some sort of cloth covering their legs.

turdnuggets said...

why would you support a zero tolerance policy? Those don't work.

Think Logic said...

Frankly, I find your post unnecessary and unnecessary.

Or, to put it another way: I am disgusted that you had to write it. I mean.. W..T..F..?

I'm as horny as the next guy, and when I was a teenager, I loved catching a glimpse of bra. The way they treated her was shameful, and their attitude to women is appalling.

But your daughter may not be the only victim here.

How will the boys react if every time they show interest in a girl, the school whisks that girl off, and covers her up?

Won't they try their damnedest to stop showing any interest in girls?

The girls get the shame: the boys get the guilt.

Because: hey! Sexual repression is an equal-opportunity employer!

Think Logic said...

grr.. "Offensive and unnecessary" had waaay more impact. Darned self-editing..

Anonymous said...

Girls in high school used to have bra straps showing and thongs hanging out all the time. Was it distracting: hell ya, did I care, hell no.

Anonymous said...

How do you expect me to concentrate on whatever it is that you said in your post when you have all these pictures of half naked women on your webpage?

Is there a way that you could cover up those ads of half naked women so that I can concentrate on what you are writing about?

You are obviously not respecting my right to not have your whorish, promiscious values thrown into my face when I visit your website.

I am sick of being your victim, Your Phalloppressive tactics show that you are a misandrist ( sometimes called a Philogynist ).No wonder you are teaching your daughter to whore herself out to the boys at school.

Like mother, like daughter.

Alessia (Relationship Underarm Stick) said...

LOL Anon who wrote, "How do you expect me to concentrate on whatever it is that you said in your post when you have all these pictures of half naked women on your webpage?" I say, sir, that you are exhibit A for the people's defense.

If you possessed any self-control, you'd be able to concentrate no matter what ads etc were around you.

You don't have any rights "to not have your whorish, promiscious values thrown into my face when I visit your website" -- you're in her space, you idiot; and, while I don't find pinups "whorish," you'll have to deal with them.

You're probably the sort who believes in prohibition to protect yourself from the things you either cannot or will not refuse yourself. And, hey, guess what? Prohibition doesn't work.

So stop blaming victims or potential victims and start controlling yourself in action & in your speech -- and get educated too, while you're at it. It takes more than tossing around vocab you fool yourself into thinking folks don't understand to impress anyone. And with a lack of any self-control, you impress no one, misogynist.

As for you, Slip, you know I love you & this post :)

Kaytee said...

WTG MUM! The school might be letting your daughter down, but you sure aren't. You are a fantastic example for her and all of us who believe in fairness, freedom and personal accountablity. :D

anning said...

School rules are there for a purpose and the school is right.....If you don't agree with them then join the PTA ( It says something about you that you don't already belong to the PTA ).

Otherwise, when your daughter breaks the rules, suffer the consequences. But DO NOT go to the school office a pitch a bitch about your daughter's rights. Because every other girl in the school has to follow the same rules.

Just because you have a bully pulpit on some cul-de-sac in the trailer park of the intertubes doesn't mean that the school system should bend over at your command.

GROW UP FOR GODS SAKE

SlipOfAGirl said...

Wow, thanks to someone posting a link to this at Reddit there are so many comments -- here and there -- that I'm just going to make some general replies...

I'm not suggesting only boys be held accountable for their reactions/behaviors; merely responding to the school's stance of "what about the poor boys." And in my letter to the superintendent, PTA etc. (a million names that won't mean anything to you), I did address the problem with short-shrifting young men with such helpless attitudes.

However, also in that letter is a discussion of the sexism inherent in the dress code (males can wear tank tops, but not girls, etc.)

Like Alessia said, any complaints about being unable to read/comprehend past the "whorish" nature of this blog is in fact evidence of the very issue at hand here.

I don't understand how I can be both "whorish" and "misandrist" -- at least not without extreme self-loathing or, perhaps, psychotic issues; I assure you I suffer from neither. Furthermore, I suggest you understand the words you toss around. Since you, oh-so-brave anonymous poster, took such issue with the ads/images on this blog, you are aware of the context -- to which, clearly, your big word use to intimidate me is grossly misapplied.

As for other matters of context, my daughter is not "here." And my daughter was not, as I stated in the post, dressed "whorishly." This was & continues to be confirmed by the school.

My standing with the PTA, in or out if it, is irrelevant; the first step is to be taken with the individual, then their supervisors, & so on & so on, before you should try something as external as a parent organization. (So, I guess that sort of common sense knowledge regarding appropriate action to take escapes those not in this "cul-de-sac in the trailer park of the intertubes.")

And finally (at least for this round!), I was not asking for my child to be exempt from school policy. I was taking the dress codes (the archaic, sexist notions which are to the detriment of body image, healthy sexuality v. repression, self esteem, and, being counter to the facts of sexual assault, safety) to task.

This was for all the girls.

And for all the boys who are treated as less than human with this thinking/policy as well.

PS I wish I would have remembered that table legs/table cloth thing when I wrote my letter!

Tirade said...

This is not the least of the problems with schools these days. Its gotten to the point where most of their rules are downright illegal. The only way they can enforce them is to send a paper home with the students for the student and parents to sign saying that the student will agree to follow the school rules. That way when the students break a rule, they won't get in trouble for breaking a rule. They'll get in trouble for breaking the aforementioned 'contract'. Most cases of dress code fall under that category, since the school does not have the right to quell someone's first amendment rights unless they are a danger to those around them. And the courts have decided that clothing falls under personal expression.

Many parents who have caught on to this have started refusing to sign these papers. I wish all of them would. When my little sister was in middle school, she was being stalked by some out of control guy who couldn't take no for an answer. At one point he physically cornered her when there were no teachers around. To get away she had to smack him in the face with her heavy binder.

Now, the school rules state that anyone who uses physical violence is supposed to be suspended. Immediately. No recourse, zero tolerance. In a case like that where a student is fearful for his or her own safety, the student's only option within the school rules is to go to a teacher.

But she was physically cornered. The only way she could leave was to resort to physical force.

As soon as this happened, my mom called up the school and told them straight up that if she ever got in trouble for something like that, they would find themselves in court. And they knew they would lose. Because you cannot keep someone from defending themselves. And she told them straight up, "You can tell all the future rape victims in the world that they're not allowed to do anything other than tell a teacher. My daughter is allowed to defend herself."

Needless to say, from then on no one in my family ever signed another one of those ridiculous and semi-illegal contracts at the beginning of the school year. I suggest any parents in the audience do the same.

jamahan88 said...

what of the male who is sexually excited by the burka . where do you stop?

Anonymous said...

In response to jamahan88, the burka is not meant to be sexually exciting. In fact, the point of the burka is to conceal rather than reveal.

And while many see the burka as an oppressive tactic by the Muslim religion to hide women away and avoid inciting male desires there are many muslim women who actually LIKE the burka. Not because it conceals them but because THEY control who looks at their bodies and when.

I watched a very insightful documentary about muslim women and their relationship to the burka. Many of them simply couldn't understand how Western women walked around so exposed and revealed. One woman even went so far as to say that Western women parade themselves around *for* men to look at and gawk. Whereas muslim women control who they parade themselves in front of and when.

I only say all this to bring a slightly different viewpoint.

Anonymous said...

sounds like a lot of esprit d'escalier here - yes, the school was stupid as fuck for this, but there's no chance you said all that in a meeting, unless you spend all day thinking about issues like this.

Sounds like you're writing what you would have liked to say, but didn't.

Anonymous said...

Hi. I'm from Sweden and i loved reading this. Keep them on their toes. Don't change your way of thinking.

Anonymous said...

why did it stop ?

Anonymous said...

A woman 'counsellor' argues with a mother over a girl's attire and somehow boys are to blame.

Hello !

Anonymous said...

Beatrixcomet thinks that men were aroused by table legs?? So men needed table cloths?? This is yet another 'blame men' thingo isn't it.

Since when did men give a stuff about tables and table-cloths?? We are too busy taking peeks at bra straps denied us at school !! :)

Happy Bunny said...

Just found this via a link in the forum at www.heartless-bitches.com - you are my new hero, and I hope it works out well in the long run.

M.

P.S. I had read the anonymous 'whorish' post as a joke - reductio ad absurdum style. Always hard to tell on the internet though!